Ocasio-Cortez: ‘Very Real Risk’ U.S. Democracy Won’t Exist in 10 Years

Listen to support w ░░░░░░░░ y c studios This ░░░░░░░░ the new yorker radio ░░░░░░░░ production w NBC studios ░░░░░░░░ Welcome to the new ░░░░░░░░ radio hour I m ░░░░░░░░ Remnick Alexandria ocasio cortez ░░░░░░░░ one of the most ░░░░░░░░ progressives in Washington It ░░░░░░░░ started with her shocking ░░░░░░░░ of a long time ░░░░░░░░ in a New York ░░░░░░░░ that includes parts of ░░░░░░░░ in the bronx that ░░░░░░░░ all back in the ░░░░░░░░ eighteen democratic primary When ░░░░░░░░ cortez was a strong ░░░░░░░░ of the green new ░░░░░░░░ and Medicare for all ░░░░░░░░ ocasio cortez is not ░░░░░░░░ among Democrats in those ░░░░░░░░ but as a member ░░░░░░░░ the house she stood ░░░░░░░░ her questions during committee ░░░░░░░░ often go viral and ░░░░░░░░ is a real master ░░░░░░░░ social media and she ░░░░░░░░ also a lightning rod ░░░░░░░░ criticism from Fox News ░░░░░░░░ other conservative outlets to ░░░░░░░░ almost frenzied and strange ░░░░░░░░ but with her party ░░░░░░░░ razor thin majorities 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into analysis paralysis and ░░░░░░░░ don t have much ░░░░░░░░ and and I think ░░░░░░░░ we should really it ░░░░░░░░ take this present political ░░░░░░░░ for granted and and ░░░░░░░░ everything that we can ░░░░░░░░ I think that at ░░░░░░░░ beginning of last year ░░░░░░░░ of us ah in ░░░░░░░░ progressive wing but not ░░░░░░░░ the progressive wing I ░░░░░░░░ I think over overall ░░░░░░░░ are folks saying we ░░░░░░░░ t want to repeat ░░░░░░░░ lot of the hand ░░░░░░░░ that happened in two ░░░░░░░░ and ten where there ░░░░░░░░ this very precious opportunity ░░░░░░░░ the Senate and you ░░░░░░░░ things happen They argue ░░░░░░░░ the by In the ░░░░░░░░ House would obviously argue ░░░░░░░░ the margins are the ░░░░░░░░ and mansions politics are ░░░░░░░░ they are and he ░░░░░░░░ in a state that ░░░░░░░░ dominated by a much ░░░░░░░░ conservative vote cinemas unpredictable ░░░░░░░░ They would argue that ░░░░░░░░ tried and they made ░░░░░░░░ after concession and still ░░░░░░░░ nowhere and you have 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politically and I think ░░░░░░░░ s a Keystone action ░░░░░░░░ economically as well and ░░░░░░░░ can t underscore how ░░░░░░░░ the hesitancy of the ░░░░░░░░ Administration to pursue Ooh ░░░░░░░░ loan cancellation has demoralized ░░░░░░░░ very critical voting block ░░░░░░░░ both the president the ░░░░░░░░ and Senate need in ░░░░░░░░ to have any chance ░░░░░░░░ preserving any of our ░░░░░░░░ And what is the ░░░░░░░░ of the achievable the ░░░░░░░░ of the possible between ░░░░░░░░ and the election What ░░░░░░░░ know that s why ░░░░░░░░ kind of started off ░░░░░░░░ talking about the executive ░░░░░░░░ of the executive powers ░░░░░░░░ the president has has ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ there s any guarantee ░░░░░░░░ don t know if ░░░░░░░░ s any avenue in ░░░░░░░░ of getting something through ░░░░░░░░ Joe mansion and kirsten ░░░░░░░░ will approve of that ░░░░░░░░ significantly a materially improve ░░░░░░░░ the lives of working ░░░░░░░░ And I mean it ░░░░░░░░ a bit of a ░░░░░░░░ assessments 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░░░░░░░░ if we even have ░░░░░░░░ say ten years from ░░░░░░░░ And down in the ░░░░░░░░ that s important that ░░░░░░░░ Build Back Better act ░░░░░░░░ the vast majority of ░░░░░░░░ agenda The infrastructure plan ░░░░░░░░ as important as it ░░░░░░░░ the scope and scale ░░░░░░░░ these investments as much ░░░░░░░░ much smaller So we ░░░░░░░░ talking about pairing these ░░░░░░░░ things Together the progressive ░░░░░░░░ puts up a fight ░░░░░░░░ then I d say ░░░░░░░░ around October and There ░░░░░░░░ a critical juncture The ░░░░░░░░ s is then under ░░░░░░░░ pressure from the media ░░░░░░░░ so there s this ░░░░░░░░ that the president can ░░░░░░░░ quote unquote can t ░░░░░░░░ things done And that ░░░░░░░░ presidency is at risk ░░░░░░░░ it s just all ░░░░░░░░ this you know ed ░░░░░░░░ I thought to be ░░░░░░░░ a lot of sensationalism ░░░░░░░░ the ramifications of that ░░░░░░░░ re being very deeply ░░░░░░░░ and you have people ░░░░░░░░ tough races and it ░░░░░░░░ just he needs a ░░░░░░░░ He needs a when ░░░░░░░░ so I m sitting ░░░░░░░░ In a group with ░░░░░░░░ most powerful people the ░░░░░░░░ in the country talking ░░░░░░░░ how if we pass ░░░░░░░░ infrastructure bill right now ░░░░░░░░ this will be what ░░░░░░░░ president can campaign on ░░░░░░░░ American people will give ░░░░░░░░ credit for he can ░░░░░░░░ his presidency on that ░░░░░░░░ we don t pass ░░░░░░░░ now then we risk ░░░░░░░░ itself Not about the ░░░░░░░░ agenda who s who ░░░░░░░░ who s just as ░░░░░░░░ s in the room ░░░░░░░░ you said the most ░░░░░░░░ people in the country ░░░░░░░░ re talking about everybody ░░░░░░░░ the loot I m ░░░░░░░░ in leadership to folks ░░░░░░░░ are in tough seats ░░░░░░░░ all elected officials in ░░░░░░░░ Democratic Party on the ░░░░░░░░ level and you know ░░░░░░░░ really just talk themselves ░░░░░░░░ thinking that passing the ░░░░░░░░ plan on that day ░░░░░░░░ that week is the ░░░░░░░░ singular important decision of ░░░░░░░░ presidency More than voting ░░░░░░░░ more than the actual ░░░░░░░░ Back Better act itself ░░░░░░░░ the vast majority of ░░░░░░░░ actual president s plan ░░░░░░░░ than more than anything ░░░░░░░░ if you know you ░░░░░░░░ kind of in the ░░░░░░░░ and you re just ░░░░░░░░ You know Watching people ░░░░░░░░ themselves up into a ░░░░░░░░ is a fascinating psychological ░░░░░░░░ that you re watching ░░░░░░░░ and it s not ░░░░░░░░ say that all these ░░░░░░░░ that they re saying ░░░░░░░░ a hundred percent false ░░░░░░░░ to come from A ░░░░░░░░ that is often discounted ░░░░░░░░ many different ways because ░░░░░░░░ you know these are ░░░░░░░░ Democrats like what she ░░░░░░░░ to say Does it ░░░░░░░░ et cetera What Does ░░░░░░░░ know about this current ░░░░░░░░ moment and the thing ░░░░░░░░ s unfortunate that I ░░░░░░░░ a lot if people ░░░░░░░░ yet to recognize is ░░░░░░░░ The motivations and the ░░░░░░░░ and the sense of ░░░░░░░░ It and faith in ░░░░░░░░ democracy and governance from ░░░░░░░░ and communities like mine ░░░░░░░░ determine majorities and they ░░░░░░░░ determine the outcomes of ░░░░░░░░ races and presidential races ░░░░░░░░ When you have a ░░░░░░░░ house when you have ░░░░░░░░ Senate constructed the way ░░░░░░░░ it is when you ░░░░░░░░ a presidency that relies ░░░░░░░░ the Electoral College in ░░░░░░░░ fashion that it does ░░░░░░░░ re in this room ░░░░░░░░ you see that all ░░░░░░░░ these people who are ░░░░░░░░ really are truly represent ░░░░░░░░ of our current political ░░░░░░░░ our current political system ░░░░░░░░ designed to revolve around ░░░░░░░░ very narrow band of ░░░░░░░░ who are overall materially ░░░░░░░░ And it does not ░░░░░░░░ around the majority you ░░░░░░░░ to free earlier in ░░░░░░░░ midst of this If ░░░░░░░░ have a democracy Ten ░░░░░░░░ from now You think ░░░░░░░░ will I think there ░░░░░░░░ a very real risk ░░░░░░░░ we will not I ░░░░░░░░ what we risk is ░░░░░░░░ a a government that ░░░░░░░░ postures has a democracy ░░░░░░░░ may try to pretend ░░░░░░░░ it is but isn ░░░░░░░░ what s going to ░░░░░░░░ us to that 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and your concern is ░░░░░░░░ we will look like ░░░░░░░░ nation anybody can eat ░░░░░░░░ nation in particular I ░░░░░░░░ we will look like ░░░░░░░░ I think we will ░░░░░░░░ to Jim Crow I ░░░░░░░░ that s what we ░░░░░░░░ losing called man This ░░░░░░░░ Jim Crow Her with ░░░░░░░░ What s the scenario ░░░░░░░░ that happening Well you ░░░░░░░░ you have it all ░░░░░░░░ happening in Texas where ░░░░░░░░ Crow style Disenfranchisement laws ░░░░░░░░ already been proposed I ░░░░░░░░ you had members the ░░░░░░░░ legislature just a few ░░░░░░░░ ago flee the state ░░░░░░░░ order to prevent voting ░░░░░░░░ from being pass We ░░░░░░░░ talking about add Florida ░░░░░░░░ you had the entire ░░░░░░░░ vote to allow people ░░░░░░░░ were released from pre ░░░░░░░░ t to be reinforced ░░░░░░░░ after the have served ░░░░░░░░ debt to society and ░░░░░░░░ that s essentially being ░░░░░░░░ with poll taxes with ░░░░░░░░ at the polls You ░░░░░░░░ the complete eraser and ░░░░░░░░ on our own understanding ░░░░░░░░ history to replace history ░░░░░░░░ institutionalize propaganda From white ░░░░░░░░ perspectives In our schools ░░░░░░░░ mean this is what ░░░░░░░░ scaffolding of what Jim ░░░░░░░░ was and so there ░░░░░░░░ so many impulses to ░░░░░░░░ this to somewhere else ░░░░░░░░ there are certainly plenty ░░░░░░░░ comparisons to make You ░░░░░░░░ with the rise of ░░░░░░░░ In in Post world ░░░░░░░░ one Germany people often ░░░░░░░░ to make these types ░░░░░░░░ comparisons but you really ░░░░░░░░ t have to look ░░░░░░░░ further than our own ░░░░░░░░ because what we have ░░░░░░░░ think is it uniquely ░░░░░░░░ path that we have ░░░░░░░░ and the question that ░░░░░░░░ really facing was was ░░░░░░░░ last fifty to sixty ░░░░░░░░ after the civil rights ░░░░░░░░ just a mirror Flirtation ░░░░░░░░ the United States had ░░░░░░░░ a multi racial democracy ░░░░░░░░ we will then decide ░░░░░░░░ was inconvenient for those ░░░░░░░░ power And we will ░░░░░░░░ to what we had ░░░░░░░░ which by the way ░░░░░░░░ t just 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did ░░░░░░░░ feel it out of ░░░░░░░░ come back as sometimes ░░░░░░░░ sometimes you just need ░░░░░░░░ give a little bronx ░░░░░░░░ to the rich and ░░░░░░░░ the spectacle and you ░░░░░░░░ to puncture the facade ░░░░░░░░ community my Family or ░░░░░░░░ workers my my uncle ░░░░░░░░ a and then man ░░░░░░░░ mom s a domestic ░░░░░░░░ and sometimes you just ░░░░░░░░ to have that moment ░░░░░░░░ it is a bizarre ░░░░░░░░ experience to live Specifically ░░░░░░░░ because the environment now ░░░░░░░░ re not even talking ░░░░░░░░ a culture of celebrity ░░░░░░░░ are talking about now ░░░░░░░░ culture of Commodity occasion ░░░░░░░░ human beings from the ░░░░░░░░ all the way to ░░░░░░░░ top and there s ░░░░░░░░ a bizarre psychological experience ░░░░░░░░ that That also plays ░░░░░░░░ these decisions But you ░░░░░░░░ for example like what ░░░░░░░░ In responding like these ░░░░░░░░ things about like my ░░░░░░░░ feet I have felt ░░░░░░░░ a long time that ░░░░░░░░ need to talk about ░░░░░░░░ bizarre 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